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	<title>Comments on: How has art changed the world?</title>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-15311</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art lets say, has not changed the world nearly at all. Its the artists that have changed the world and by them creating the artwork they have created their idea and presented it to the world.

Culture itself is a main factor in the creating of artwork and if lets say animal cruelty did not happen then there would be no artwork on animal cruelty. Art is merely just as that guy that posted that last comment a vary of different practices and a way to advertise a point that you want to get across. 

Car models, jugs, bins and anything is art, where the form or shape can be a trait of a certain company and can get in a lot of money. Get their point across that they are smart, rich bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art lets say, has not changed the world nearly at all. Its the artists that have changed the world and by them creating the artwork they have created their idea and presented it to the world.</p>
<p>Culture itself is a main factor in the creating of artwork and if lets say animal cruelty did not happen then there would be no artwork on animal cruelty. Art is merely just as that guy that posted that last comment a vary of different practices and a way to advertise a point that you want to get across. </p>
<p>Car models, jugs, bins and anything is art, where the form or shape can be a trait of a certain company and can get in a lot of money. Get their point across that they are smart, rich bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-10324</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie Mon Dieu, thank you for the 'art' and the 'film' hyperlinks --but I can't make them work --just FYI --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie Mon Dieu, thank you for the &#8216;art&#8217; and the &#8216;film&#8217; hyperlinks &#8211;but I can&#8217;t make them work &#8211;just FYI &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: grumblebee</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>grumblebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think art has changed the world any more or less than anything else (trees, politic, war, germs, rocks...). And I don't think it's changed the world in noticeably different ways than anything else. Which isn't to say I think art is inert. 

My problem is with the word art. It's a useful word, but it's necessarily fuzzy, and I think it falls apart when you try to use it in big philosophical questions. There is no one thing called art. Art is a collective word used to label a huge cloud of activities. What can we say about all those activities? Maybe only that "art" involves objects or activities that aren't completely (or obviously) utilitarian yet which seem important. I'm not satisfied with that definition, but it's the best I can come up with right now. 

In any case, since art is a fuzzy catagory, when you try to build grand statements on it, you're building on a really unstable scaffolding. It's much safer to talk about how individual works of art have impacted the world: how "The Rite of Spring" changed music; how Shakespeare changed the language, etc. But that's not as interesting as "a grand unified theory" of Art. 

Why do people make art? I think they do it because they have to. Not all people have to, but enough do. It's an urge -- an itch. Where does it come from? I have no idea. My guess is that it's a byproduct of other, more utilitarian processes: the need to communicate, the power of emotions and sensations, etc. For whatever reason, peoples in all cultures throughout all times have produced art. 

Each piece of art impacts different viewers (listeners, etc.) in unique ways. How does art change the world? Ha! We can't even say clearly how a single Picasso painting changes the world, because it changes the world in a zillion different ways. It changes the world by the sum total -- or by the individual amounts, if you'd rather think of it this way -- of the ways that it changes each viewer (and the artist).

You can say, "Yes, but how does it impact Art History?" And it's fine if you care more about that than how it changes  my grandmother. But that's your arbitrary interest. The fact is, it changes both in some way. 

Does art change in people in unique ways -- ways that non-art objects don't change them? Maybe. Maybe some people. But not necessarily in uniquely powerful ways. I've been destroyed by art. But I've also been destroyed by sunsets, love, kittens and really good cheeseburgers. Art goes into the mix like everything else.

What fascinates me is the fact that you asked this question. People ask variations of it all the time. I have a theory about it: I think we have two conflicting urges. One is to engage in activities that are more or less about pure sensation. These activities seem to have very little utility, especially when you separate them from their traditional roots in religion (which itself may have little utility). But that doesn't stop us from wanting (needing?) to make and view art. 

At the same time, we have another powerful urge to discard anything that's not clearly useful. We could call it the Protestant Work Ethic, but you can be a Jew or an Hindu and still feel its profound tug. 

We have a profound need to work; we have a profound need to play. We have a profound need to not-waste-time. We have a profound need to waste time. I think this tug is immensely important to human history and to individual experience. I'm not sure how it's important, but I know that I wrestle with it every day. And I see everyone I know wrestling with it, too. (You even see it WITHIN art, where you have the Hollywood excess on one hand and the "Kill all your darlings" minimalism on the other.)

Ultimately, I think it's impossible to harmonize the two forces. The tug between them is the Human Condition. But that doesn't stop people from trying. Maybe trying is part of the Human Condition, too! The desire to pound art into a pragmatic framework often leads to questions like this (though it may not have been your motivation). It also leads to actors feeling guilty about not contributing enough to society, which is why we all have to suffer through Ben Affleck (or whoever) making public service announcements. It's why people don't want their kids reading a book unless it has "a good lesson in it."

Here's a thought experiment: what if I could conclusively prove to you that art had no purpose beyond hedonistic pleasure? What if art is like pot or sex without procreation? Would you think less of it? Would you stop viewing it? Stop making it? Would you view or make art anyway but feel guilty while doing so? I've heard people say things like, "art isn't art unless it has a moral aspect" or "art isn't art unless it makes you think." But when I see a child finger painting on an easel, I doubt he's trying to overthrow the government or muse on Existentialism. He's scratching an itch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think art has changed the world any more or less than anything else (trees, politic, war, germs, rocks&#8230;). And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s changed the world in noticeably different ways than anything else. Which isn&#8217;t to say I think art is inert. </p>
<p>My problem is with the word art. It&#8217;s a useful word, but it&#8217;s necessarily fuzzy, and I think it falls apart when you try to use it in big philosophical questions. There is no one thing called art. Art is a collective word used to label a huge cloud of activities. What can we say about all those activities? Maybe only that &#8220;art&#8221; involves objects or activities that aren&#8217;t completely (or obviously) utilitarian yet which seem important. I&#8217;m not satisfied with that definition, but it&#8217;s the best I can come up with right now. </p>
<p>In any case, since art is a fuzzy catagory, when you try to build grand statements on it, you&#8217;re building on a really unstable scaffolding. It&#8217;s much safer to talk about how individual works of art have impacted the world: how &#8220;The Rite of Spring&#8221; changed music; how Shakespeare changed the language, etc. But that&#8217;s not as interesting as &#8220;a grand unified theory&#8221; of Art. </p>
<p>Why do people make art? I think they do it because they have to. Not all people have to, but enough do. It&#8217;s an urge &#8212; an itch. Where does it come from? I have no idea. My guess is that it&#8217;s a byproduct of other, more utilitarian processes: the need to communicate, the power of emotions and sensations, etc. For whatever reason, peoples in all cultures throughout all times have produced art. </p>
<p>Each piece of art impacts different viewers (listeners, etc.) in unique ways. How does art change the world? Ha! We can&#8217;t even say clearly how a single Picasso painting changes the world, because it changes the world in a zillion different ways. It changes the world by the sum total &#8212; or by the individual amounts, if you&#8217;d rather think of it this way &#8212; of the ways that it changes each viewer (and the artist).</p>
<p>You can say, &#8220;Yes, but how does it impact Art History?&#8221; And it&#8217;s fine if you care more about that than how it changes  my grandmother. But that&#8217;s your arbitrary interest. The fact is, it changes both in some way. </p>
<p>Does art change in people in unique ways &#8212; ways that non-art objects don&#8217;t change them? Maybe. Maybe some people. But not necessarily in uniquely powerful ways. I&#8217;ve been destroyed by art. But I&#8217;ve also been destroyed by sunsets, love, kittens and really good cheeseburgers. Art goes into the mix like everything else.</p>
<p>What fascinates me is the fact that you asked this question. People ask variations of it all the time. I have a theory about it: I think we have two conflicting urges. One is to engage in activities that are more or less about pure sensation. These activities seem to have very little utility, especially when you separate them from their traditional roots in religion (which itself may have little utility). But that doesn&#8217;t stop us from wanting (needing?) to make and view art. </p>
<p>At the same time, we have another powerful urge to discard anything that&#8217;s not clearly useful. We could call it the Protestant Work Ethic, but you can be a Jew or an Hindu and still feel its profound tug. </p>
<p>We have a profound need to work; we have a profound need to play. We have a profound need to not-waste-time. We have a profound need to waste time. I think this tug is immensely important to human history and to individual experience. I&#8217;m not sure how it&#8217;s important, but I know that I wrestle with it every day. And I see everyone I know wrestling with it, too. (You even see it WITHIN art, where you have the Hollywood excess on one hand and the &#8220;Kill all your darlings&#8221; minimalism on the other.)</p>
<p>Ultimately, I think it&#8217;s impossible to harmonize the two forces. The tug between them is the Human Condition. But that doesn&#8217;t stop people from trying. Maybe trying is part of the Human Condition, too! The desire to pound art into a pragmatic framework often leads to questions like this (though it may not have been your motivation). It also leads to actors feeling guilty about not contributing enough to society, which is why we all have to suffer through Ben Affleck (or whoever) making public service announcements. It&#8217;s why people don&#8217;t want their kids reading a book unless it has &#8220;a good lesson in it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought experiment: what if I could conclusively prove to you that art had no purpose beyond hedonistic pleasure? What if art is like pot or sex without procreation? Would you think less of it? Would you stop viewing it? Stop making it? Would you view or make art anyway but feel guilty while doing so? I&#8217;ve heard people say things like, &#8220;art isn&#8217;t art unless it has a moral aspect&#8221; or &#8220;art isn&#8217;t art unless it makes you think.&#8221; But when I see a child finger painting on an easel, I doubt he&#8217;s trying to overthrow the government or muse on Existentialism. He&#8217;s scratching an itch.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Mon Dieu</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Mon Dieu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing that came to mind was the German Expressionist movement. It changed the world in both &lt;a href="”http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex.htm”" rel="nofollow"&gt;art&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_expressionism”" rel="nofollow"&gt;film&lt;/a&gt;.

The vampire theme can be seen in real life, such as people romanticizing vampires through dress and creating a sub-culture based on vampires.

Also, movies like &lt;i&gt;Pay It Forward&lt;/i&gt; have created movements that changed people’s lives.

&lt;a href="”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)”" rel="nofollow"&gt;War of the Worlds&lt;/a&gt; probably had a big influence on people believing in and becoming afraid of aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing that came to mind was the German Expressionist movement. It changed the world in both <a href="”http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Express/ex.htm”" rel="nofollow">art</a> and <a href="”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_expressionism”" rel="nofollow">film</a>.</p>
<p>The vampire theme can be seen in real life, such as people romanticizing vampires through dress and creating a sub-culture based on vampires.</p>
<p>Also, movies like <i>Pay It Forward</i> have created movements that changed people’s lives.</p>
<p><a href="”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)”" rel="nofollow">War of the Worlds</a> probably had a big influence on people believing in and becoming afraid of aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: RussHy</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>RussHy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Early Bob Dylan (thew political stuff) changed the world for a lot of people. Masters of War, The Times They Are A'Changin, Blowin in the Wind, The Ballad of Hollis Brown, Pawn in Their Game, Oxford Town, It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) are the ones I remember best. Those songs changed people's minds and then those people changed the world--or tried to anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Early Bob Dylan (thew political stuff) changed the world for a lot of people. Masters of War, The Times They Are A&#8217;Changin, Blowin in the Wind, The Ballad of Hollis Brown, Pawn in Their Game, Oxford Town, It&#8217;s Alright Ma (I&#8217;m Only Bleeding) are the ones I remember best. Those songs changed people&#8217;s minds and then those people changed the world&#8211;or tried to anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Millard</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but how about some concrete examples?

I remember Upton Sinclaire's &lt;i&gt;The Jungle&lt;/i&gt; coming up in US History back in high school as an example of an accidental fire-starter -- meat packing suddenly something American's were concerned about in a way that hadn't been before the novel became a sort of expose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but how about some concrete examples?</p>
<p>I remember Upton Sinclaire&#8217;s <i>The Jungle</i> coming up in US History back in high school as an example of an accidental fire-starter &#8212; meat packing suddenly something American&#8217;s were concerned about in a way that hadn&#8217;t been before the novel became a sort of expose.</p>
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		<title>By: tedw</title>
		<link>http://bigbigquestion.com/2008/02/22/how-has-art-changed-the-world/#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>tedw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the first cave paintings of hunters downing woolly mammoths art and life have been inextricably linked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the first cave paintings of hunters downing woolly mammoths art and life have been inextricably linked.</p>
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